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Observation same day admit/discharge but two different providers from same group

Just want to make sure I’m understanding the guideline correctly..

Patient is admitted and discharge on same day by two different providers who belong to the same group practice …

Provider who admitted patient to observation is the one who gets billed with 99234-36 .. ??

Is that correct?

Help please! :confused:

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Billing OB Global for services split between 2 different Tax ID’s/NPI’s

My BCBS of AL Prover Rep instructed me to ask this question to AAPC. I have a Hospital owned OB/GYN clinic in a rural area that has just opened that is staffed by a nurse practitioner. Her supervising physician will be there some, but not all the time. The supervising physician is employeed by the hospital, but is in a practice with another OB/GYN and his billing is done through the other practices NPI and Tax ID.

I spoke with the Maternity Care group that pays for AL Mediciad OB Global to ask how to bill them and was informed that the physician will have to bill the OB Global and the NP will need to be reimbursed from that office. I believe that we need to bill all payers this way.

We had an OB/GYN that left last July so all his patients had to transfer. I had to do a lot of antepartum billing for him. Certain payers such as BCBS denied the claims requiring me to list the Antepartum span dates from the First (New) OB visit to the last visit. Under this new set up, we will have overlapping dates of service between the two pactice locations. The NP will see the OB patients from the New OB until 20-24 weeks. The patient will go to the Physician’s office one time between 20-24 weeks then back to the NP. The patient will be treated by the NP until 35 weeks. At 35 weeks and after, they will go to the Physician’s office until delivery. Since we will have overlapping dates, I cannot enter these dates on the claim, since the claims will deny for overlapping services.

Originally, this was supposed to be Cash pay patients that only had Emergency Medicaid that would cover the delivery. We would charge a set cash price for each antepartum visit (at either office) and the physician would bill Mediciad for the Delivery. Our set up is fine in this situation.

Now, they are marketing to patient’s in the (rural) area that have insurnce and BCBS is a big provider in the area. This has now complicated the OB Global billing, since we have two separate locations under different NPI/Tax ID’s. Help!

I believe that all insurred patients should be billed by the physician and that office have a contract on what to reimburse the NP services for. I need confirmation for this, and I have a feeling that this type of set up has not been done before which makes setting up the charges and billing for this a bit challenging.

I appreciate any help I can get.

Rose Patterson :confused:

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2 visits on same day in same office by two different providers

I need advice for this situation. our Nurse Practitioner saw a new patient, he was diagnosed with right elbow bursitis. NP referred him to ortho for aspiration. pt could not get in that same day, so our MD told pt to come back in the afternoon and he would aspirate the bursa.

the Nurse Practitioner charged New Patient E/M for the morning appt, MD wants to charge for Established Patient E/M and the aspiration for the afternoon. my question is can this be done? or should we just bill for the procedure in the afternoon and the Office visit in the morning. can i use modifier 57 for the afternoon E/M?

any advice will be greatly appreciated
thanks

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2 Billing entities for same practice billing different rates

This is a new situation for me-
The group I work for is transitioning from their current outsourced biller to billing inhouse. The transition is taking place in phases so as I start billing claims for them, do we need to be billing the same dollar amount as the current biller? For ex, say we both send out a claim today with 11042 on it and she bills $ 500, do I also need to bill $ 500? Reason I’m asking because we want to increase our fee schedule for 2019.

Thanks in advance

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Group Practice Provider Seeing Patients in Different Place of Service.

We are a group practice that has a few Dr.’s, NP’s and PA’s in an outpatient mental health professional office setting.

If one of our PA’s or NP’s sees patients in a nursing home outside of the office setting for medication management (E/M) what CPT codes would be used and would there be modifiers needed?

In the office setting we would normally use the E/M codes, so would these still be used (99211-99215) with modifiers in the nursing home(assisted living facility)? Or should the nursing facility services codes be used? Which CPT codes should we be using?

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E/M same specialty, different practices

How do we handle this?

Some of our physicians are general surgery. Sometimes we perform all of the aspects of care during the patient’s stay such as the inital visit, the surgery with follow up care.
Sometimes, a different general surgeon from a different group performs the initial visit and surgery, and when we are on call during the week or weekends, we follow up with the patient, so I figured I would bill for this visit, knowing they are in a global for the surgery, but the patient’s surgery was not performed by us. When we bill these charges out, we are hit with the denial "Benefit for this procedure/service is included in the payment/allowance for another service/procedure that has already been adjudicated.

I have researched and researched. I can not find anything that addresses this problem. I am wondering how other practices handle this. If we see that the patient is seen by a different surgeon in a different practice and the patient had surgery with the other surgeon, do we just cut our loses? That doesn’t even seem fair. Is there another modifier that we can use? Can we use 27 modifier?

If you have input, I welcome it.

Thanks so much

Beth

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97140 with 98940 – different providers

If a chiropractor does a manipulation (98940), and a massage therapist at the same practice does myofascial release (97140), both for the same region of the spine on the same date, can both of these be billed? I know that 97140 bundles with 98940 per CCI and normally 97140 can be paid with modifier 59 only if it’s a different body part. But does it make a difference if it’s done by 2 different practitioners?

Thanks,

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NCCI Edit 36226 & 69990; 2 different physicians, 2 different OP sessions, same day

Our neurosurgeon performed a crainotomy for a resection of an AVM 61597, 61702 & 69990.
The neuroendovascular IR performed a post op cerebral angiogram 36222 & 36226.
Both procedures were performed on the same day by different physicians within the same group (neurosurgery & neuroendovascular).
We are hitting an edit because the 69990 Microscope can’t be billed with the 36222 nor 36226.
Mind you these are 2 different procedures at different operative sessions on the same day billed independently of each other.
Can we dispute this edit?

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Observation Admisson/Discharge by Different Drs

We were called to assume care for a patient admitted to observation by the surgeon (not related to our practice) following a procedure. There is not an H&P for the admission by the surgeon in the chart, however our doctor dictated one. My question is how should we bill for our services? Since we are assuming the care, but our physician is not listed on the admission order, should we bill outpt codes (ex: 99214)? What about discharge from observation? Our phsysician did the discharge, so can we bill 99217 even though his name is not on the observation admission order? Thanks!

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