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Reporting NSTEMI Type 2 27 days paging mitchellde

Hi everyone,

I have an interesting case needing your opinion.

Patient had knee replacement surgery and post surgery complained of chest pain. Tests revealed elevated troponins which physician classified as NSTEMI. Upon further diagnostic testing, it was revealed it was a Type 2 NSTEMI which medically means as explained to me elevated troponins due to imbalanced oxygen demand and supply, not due to plaque rupture and can be caused by arrhythmia, hypotension, sepsis, etc.

Therefore, hospital stay was coded as I21.4.

Patient came back to the clinic 27 days after initial diagnosis. Coder said that per coding guidelines, within 28 days the NSTEMI must be coded as such and must "follow" and be documented in the clinic post hospital follow up.

The doctor felt that since the NSTEMI is a Type 2 and not caused by CAD, he did not document the NSTEMI. His reason is that it was a transient diagnosis during the hospital stay and not an active diagnosis during office visit. His reluctance to mention NSTEMI is because he said if it is in the documentation, other providers might not understand the complexities of different types of NSTEMI and recommend the patient to have procedures that might harm the patient.

Coder came back insisting that we will be "flagged" and NSTEMI coding is strict. She attended one of your seminars and she wants to hear it from you. I attended several of your seminars and the gist is that as long as the physician is documenting it and able to defend his notes. Her suggestion is for the physician to go back and change his notes to suit the coding guidelines, which no physician would agree to in our group.

I understand that as coders we need to adhere to the coding guidelines but in the real world it is the patient’s wellness and welfare we need to prioritize when it comes down to documentation and communication.

Can somebody please explain to how not coding NSTEMI through all subsequent visits will be flagged. Our notes are very extensive and well supports the diagnosis, compared to other physicians in our small town.

Thanks!

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Post infarction angina. paging mitchellde

Patient was admitted to the hospital with shortness of breath, tests showed elevated troponin. He has a history of old infarct involving old inferoapical area.
Doctor had the dx of NSTEMI, Type 2. Cath a few days later showed mild diffuse disease of LAD, RCA, and circumflex artery.

Patient came back to our clinic 27 days after hospitalization, initial dx of NSTEMI.
Doctor had dx CAD.

Coder came back saying that she will be coding it still as NSTEMI and complaining why the doctor never mentioned it is still NSTEMI.
She also said that if patient has angina, she would need to code it as post infarction angina.
Doctor had explained that medically post infarction angina is a rare occurrence in 10-15% of cases.

I felt like CAD w stable angina I25.118 as documented is more appropriate.

The doctor has felt that CAD would include the new mild arterial diseases and the old MI.

Is CAD appropriate to code?

Thanks for helping us learn something new every day.

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Should we code borderline to mild? paging demitchell

Trying to referee a coding debate here.

Coding echo reading for primary physicians.

Junior coder doesn’t code "borderline to mild left atrial enlargement" as cardiomegaly since query with doctor says that it’s not clinically relevant.

Senior coder says that’s wrong and it should be coded.

1. Which one is right?
2. Senior coder says that well, if the report goes back to primary care follow up and primary care office codes the left atrial enlargement as cardiomegaly – upon chart review for HEDIS, Risk Adjustments, etc. we would run risk "undercoding" bec it would look weird to the insurance that the "codes don’t match".
Question: Do insurances match codes and audit you ?
3. Most of the carotids we read are due to carotid occlusive disease , bilateral so we code I65.23 for all of them. Would that get us in "trouble"?

Our coder keeps on saying oh if we don’t do this, if we don’t do that we will get in trouble. We are all just trying to make an honest living of saving lives, helping people. Are the insurances that unreasonable as to try to "get us" with a code that’s missed or an overlooked diagnosis that was coded from HPI and past medical but not in assessment?

Thanks for suggestions and advices.

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What codes to use? Paging Coding King

We have a pt that came to our office for regular follow up of his cardio problems. During the visit, he requested a letter be written to support his driving a school bus (that’s his regular job and he needs an annual "clearance" to drive due to his heart problems).

Doctor did his usual check up and mentioned that a separate letter is written. We do not do DOT clearances. Its just a letter to support him driving his bus.

Our coder insisted that a Z02.04 examination for driving license MUST be used. The insurance denied our first claim. Patient was upset.

As office manager, i suggested to remove Z02.04. Notes as follows:

Patient X came for his follow up appointment for his heart diseases.

The patient had left knee surgery with Dr. Simpson in June 2017. He continues to drive a school bus. He gained 13 pounds of weight. He has no new complaints but does have some low back pain, hip pain, and knee pain. He said he has no driving records. He has good eyesight and good coordination. He is able to continue to drive a school bus. He wants to drive a school bus. He wants to work.

Past Medical History:
Atherosclerotic heart disease of native coronary artery with other forms of angina pectoris (1991) (stable angina pectoris),Coronary angioplasty status (January 2005) (to mid RCA in Ohio),Elevated body mass index (BMI 32),Essential (primary) hypertension (controlled),Fatigue,Ischemic cardiomyopathy,Mixed hyperlipidemia,MR – Mitral regurgitation (mild, lvef of 50 to 55%),Normal stress test (April 2009) (by Dr. Joseph Fredi at Vanderbilt),Old myocardial infarction (1991) (status post PTCA in Oregon),Pure hypercholesterolemia,Tricuspid regurgitation (mild)

Procedures:
Left knee surgery (June 2017),PTCA – Percutaneous transluminal coronary angioplasty (1991),Stent placement (2005)

Presenting Medications:
Altace 5mg (qam)
aspirin 81mg (qd)
atenolol 50mg (1/2 tablet qd)
Co Q-10 100mg (qd)
Fish Oil 1,000mg (qd)
Lipitor 80mg (qd)
Viagra tablet 50 -100mg (prn)
Zetia 10mg (qd)

Allergies:
NKDA

Social History: Smoking Status: Former smoker. Age Started Smoking: 19. Age Quit Smoking: 47. Language: English.

Family History:
Heart disease (Mother – CABG x5, CABG x3 died at age of 76), Stroke (Father – died at age of 66)

Vital Signs:
Ht Wt BMI BP – Sys BP – Dia BP – Site BP – Position
71 in 231 lbs [+13] 32.22 110 mmHg 58 mmHg Left Arm Sitting

Resp Temp Pulse Pulse Site Exertion O2 Sat Head Circ Pain Severity
60 bpm Radial Resting

Review Of Systems:
Constitutional: Negative for fever. Negative for weight loss. Positive for weight gain of 13 lbs. Negative for fatigue.
HEENT: Negative for blurred vision. Negative for tinnitus.
Pulmonary: Negative for shortness of breath. Negative for wheesing.
Cardiovascular: Negative for chest pain. Negative for dyspnea on exertion. Negative for palpitations. Negative for paroxysmal noctural dyspnea. Negative for syncope. Negative for leg edema.
Gastrointestinal: Negative for nausea. Negative for vomiting. Negative for constipation. Negative for heartburn. Negative for diarrhea. Negative for abdominal pain.
Endocrine: Negative for polydipsia. Negative for heat/cold intolerance.
Genitourinary: Negative for dysuri. Negative for hematuria.
Musculoskeletal: Negative for myalgia. Positive for arthralgia.
Neurological: Negative for unusual headache. Negative for dizziness. Negative for neurological deficit.
Integumentary: Negative for unusual rash. Negative for ecchymosis.
Hematologic: Negative for bleeding. Negative for bruising.

Physical Exam:
Constitutional:
General: Alert & Oriented x 3, Appeared to be in no acute distress.
HEENTe: Pink palpebral conjunctiva, Anicteric sclera.
Neck: Supple, No significant jugular venous distension, Carotid pulse appeared normal, No carotid bruit was appreciated.
Lungs: Clear to auscultation
COR: S1, S2, Regular rate & rhythm, Faint systolic murmur was appreciated, No pericardial friction rub, No S3, No S4.
Abdomen: Positive bowel sounds, Soft, Non-tender.
Extremities: No edema, No cyanosis.

Assessments:
Atherosclerotic heart disease of native coronary artery with other forms of angina pectoris (1991) (stable angina pectoris)
Coronary angioplasty status (January 2005) (to mid RCA in Ohio)
Pure hypercholesterolemia
Essential (primary) hypertension (controlled)
Ischemic cardiomyopathy
MR – Mitral regurgitation (mild, lvef of 50 to 55%)
Elevated body mass index (BMI 32)
Tricuspid regurgitation (mild)

Plan:
Comprehensive review of patient’s history, records, lab results, work up results and medications.
Moderate complexity medical decision making.
Labs done recently showed cholesterol with excellent control with cholesterol 126, LDL 63.
Blood pressure and heart rate are well-controlled.
Continue optimal medical therapy. He is on high dose Lipitor 80 mg a day and so far he is able to tolerate that.
Stopped Slo-Niacin.
Patient uses Viagra sparingly. I informed him in no uncertain terms that he must not mix Viagra with nitroglycerin.
Please see a separate letter written for him regarding continuation of his being a driver for school bus.
Low salt, low fat diet.
Exercise training.

Meds:
No Medication Changes
Health Promotion:
Dietary Consult BMI outside of range
Follow-Up:
Follow up 6 months

I am rebilling it without the Z02.04 but needs validation. Just in case insurance comes back with question.

Thanks.

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