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Palliative Care Coding-Symptoms or conditions?

Hi Everyone,

I need input on a specific topic regarding Palliative care coding. I’ve read many articles online and read through forums to try to obtain these answers and I feel that they are all over the place. When coding for Palliative care, I was told that symptoms are coded over definitive conditions, and I’ve also been told to code definitive conditions as well if they are appropriate. I find it hard to distinguish when to do this. Does anyone have a straight answer for me, I want to relay the message to my Palliative providers correctly. For example: provider is documenting that the patient has dyspnea due to COPD exacerbation. Do I code the dyspnea or the COPD exacerbation? I want to code the COPD because it is confirmed, however the provider is concerned with the COPD being used for the same day by another provider. Any input on this topic would be very helpful!

Thank you in advance.

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Palliative House Visit Deceased Patient

A palliative ARNP made a house call today and the patient was deceased for about 30 minutes when he arrived.

He did check the patient for pulse and spend time with the family and will be signing the death certificate. Would this be billable as a usual house call service like 99347, or maybe another CPT I’m not familiar with?

Thanks in advance!

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Help with LCSW coding in Palliative setting

I apologize if this isn’t the right forum in which to ask this question – I couldn’t quite decide if I should post here or the Inpatient forum – but one of the groups for which I code added a LCSW in the palliative care setting. I am new to this kind of coding, and don’t quite see where the services being performed line up to the CPTs that I am being told should be used for LCSW’s services. Here’s a fairly typical example of the kind of note that we are seeing with all the PHI scrubbed out:

"Met with daughter and patient at bedside. Daughter hoping for SNF. We discussed reasonable expectations, daughter understands that patient will not walk again, she would like her to be able to transfer bed to potty and wheelchair if possible. She is struggling because pt is stubborn and does not like having mobility restrictions. We provided supportive counseling and emotional support, she is experiencing some caregiver burnout as she works full time and take care of patient all the rest of the time. Pt sundowns daily and has increased agitation, does not like having an aid or for her daughter to assist her with ADLs. Daughter reports pt usually does not recognize her, describes patient actively hallucinating (seeing her parents, searching for them). Dr feels patient has dementia after his assessment.

LCSW questioned patient’s daughter about experiences with X Hospice. She reports patient has been with them almost a year and she had no issues until recently when pt had a kidney infection and they would not do a UA to test for it or treat it. She also had issues prior to this admission, reports they refused to let her revoke hospice for almost 24 hours while pt was in pain at home.

We will continue to follow and provide supportive counseling to patient’s daughter. If patient does not progress in therapy and has further decline or readmission, hospice may again be appropriate. For now we agree with plan to try rehab. Palliative care following."

I had been looking at the 96150-96155 CPTs but most of the patients are similar to the one above, where they are not alert/oriented enough to truly participate, and I don’t think any of the other CPTs really fit either. Is that sort of service actually billable? Can anybody point me in the right direction? Thank you!

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New Patient visits – Palliative Care to Hospice

I work for an organization that provides Hospice and Palliative Care services. We know that if we previously saw a patient in PC within the past 3 years, that we are not able to bill as a new patient if they re-admit to PC services. My question is if we have a patient in PC that is now Hospice appropriate, can it be billed as initial? We bill under the same Tax ID, but have different NPI and taxonomy codes for each program, and obviously, one is Part A and the other Part B.

On the same note, if we previously saw a patient for PC services during a hospital admission, but did not follow them on an outpatient basis, can we bill as a new patient 2 1/2 years later as an outpatient?

Thank you for any insight that may be provided.

HLM

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