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PCNL 2 surgeons

Hi all….

I am wondering if anyone is billing for 2 urologists, same practice, performing CPT 50081. I know mod 62 is for co-surgeon, but they are in the same practice and I don’t believe it will apply. Both surgeons are dictating their own OP reports and listing each other as assistants. They want to each bill for their own part, but I don’t believe they can. I am including both of their OP reports below. I know this is confusing. I have been working with both of them to get this sorted out. Any help with suggestions for them and correct codes would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Kelly – CPC

Operation #1

Nephrolithotomy Percutaneous, CYSTOSCOPY, URETEROSCOPY LASER LITHOTRIPSY, STENT PLACEMENT, LEFT PERCUTANEOUS NEPHROLITHOTOMY, Left

1. Left flexible ureteroscopy with stone manipulation
2. Insert left double-J stent 6 x 26 cm
3. Fluoroscopy

Surgeon
1. Dr. Smith

Assistant
2. Dr. Jones

Technique

As part of patient’s complete operation patient was prepped and draped in the prone position after successful induction of general anesthesia. Cystoscopy was performed with the rigid 22 French scope and 30° lens. The left ureteral orifice was cannulated with a 6 French ureteral injection catheter. Through the catheter was then placed a 0.035 sensor wire. Instruments were removed leaving the sensor wire in place. Over the sensor wire using fluoroscopy the left lower ureteral mid ureteral segments were dilated with the dual lumen 10 French injection catheter. A second sensor wire was placed through the second port in the dual lumen catheter removed. Over one of the sensor wires was "monorailed" the Olympus digital flexible ureteroscope. The scope encountered obstruction at the mid ureter due to encrusted material from the previous nephrostomy tube. By removing the guidewire and the scope was able to be manipulated all the way up into the kidney. The large renal pelvic stone had to be manipulated out of the way in order to push the scope all the way into the dilated mid pole calyx where upon using fluoroscopy guidance Dr. Jones then was successful in obtaining percutaneous access for the PCNL procedure. During the PCNL procedure stones were manipulated so as to capture all the available stone in the renal pelvis.

Once the bulk of the stone was disintegrated and extracted, ureteroscope was then manipulated into lower pole calyx where upon a second percutaneous procedure and access needle was placed by Dr. Jones. A second PCNL of the lower pole stones was carried out uneventfully by Dr. Jones. On completion of the second access PCNL, a Glidewire was inserted through the ureteroscope after injection pyelogram. Over the Glidewire was placed a 6 x 26 cm double-J stent which coiled in the right renal pelvis and the distal end called nicely in the bladder. Fluoroscopy confirmed excellent placement of the stent. A Foley catheter was placed and left to gravity drainage as a procedure was terminated. There were no complications.

Signed….Dr. Smith

Operation # 2

Nephrolithotomy Percutaneous, CYSTOSCOPY, URETEROSCOPY LASER LITHOTRIPSY, STENT PLACEMENT, LEFT PERCUTANEOUS NEPHROLITHOTOMY, Left

I, Dr. Jones, will dictate the percutaneous nephrolithotomy portion of the procedure. Dr. Smith will dictate ureteroscopy.

Surgeon(s)
Dr. Jones

Assistant
Dr. Smith

Technique

after satisfactory induction of general anesthesia and endotracheal intubation with the patient was placed in a prone position on the operating table with all pressure points padded. Leg spreaders were utilized to allow access to the bladder. Timeout was performed. Appropriate antibiotics verified.the patient underwent cystoscopy and ureteroscopy by Dr. Paul Smith which will be dictated separately. Once the appropriate area for planned entry into the left collecting system was chosen utilizing the tip of the nephroscope as a target the patient had a needle placed and entered into the collecting system under direct vision with the ureteroscope. A wire was then placed through this needle and followed down into the ureter and out the urethra and became a through and through safety wire. Over this wire a fascial dilator was utilized followed by 8/10 ureteral dilating set. A second wire was then placed into the collecting system but did not pass all the way down the ureter.This wire was utilized for balloon dilatation. The balloon was dilated to 12 atm then reduced to 10 atm under fluoroscopic vision and the renal access sheath was placed over the balloon and into the collecting system. Both the balloon dilatation and the sheath were performed under direct vision from the ureteroscope. Minimal bleeding was encountered. The stones were identified and treated sequentially with the cyber wand. Larger fragments were removed. The remainder the stone was treated with the cyber wand and fragments sent for permanent section. There was no evidence of injury to the collecting system or ureter and the ureteroscope monitored the case demonstrating no significant fragments from below.

Then decided we would attempt another access point to treat the stones in the lower pole as the vectors were not appropriate for treatment of these stones through the current nephrostomy tract. Similarly the site was chosen over the lower pole stone collection and entered and a exact manner as described above. The nephroscope was introduced and all of the stones in this case were able to be removed through the nephroscope without the need for lithotripsy. No active bleeding. It should be noted that the balloon dilatation and placement of the sheath occurred over one guidewire which could not be passed down the ureter.after this portion was completed the sheath was removed with no active bleeding.

Now that all of the stones which couldn’t be reached were treated we set about draining the urinary system. From below Dr. Smith placed a 26 cm x 6 French double-J stent noted be in good position by fluoroscopy. Also I was able to watch the kidney end of the curl developed with the nephroscope. through the remaining sheath I placed a 20 French council tip catheter under fluoroscopic guidance and performed a nephrostogram and based on the nephrostogram placed the catheter in a position that would not occlude the lower pole collecting system and the patient had 2-1/2 cc of contrast mixed with normal saline placed in the balloon and the catheter was sutured to the skin after the sheath was cut away. This skin wound was closed with a nylon and the tube secured with the same nylon to the skin. It was placed to gravity drainage. The attention was then turned to the lower pole nephrostomy site which was closed with interrupted Monocryl subcuticular. Dry sterile dressings were applied to both the sides. The patient had a Foley catheter placed. She is awake and transferred to the stretcher and taken the recovery room in stable condition.

signed by Dr. Jones

Medical Billing and Coding Forum

Billing for PCNL

Dr. performed:
1. Cystourethroscopy with right double-J ureteral stent removal and replacement with a ureteral access stent.
2. Introduction of guide into renal pelvis percutaneously with dilation to establish nephrostomy tract.
3. Percutaneous nephrolithotomy with endoscopy and lithotripsy of stone, 1.5 cm in size.
4. Retrograde and antegrade pyelogram to delineate percutaneous access and nephrostomy tube placment.

It appears CPT 50080 covers everything such as the dilation, endoscopy, lithotripsy and stenting as mentioned in the CPT description.

So therefore I only bill 50080 and 74420-26 for the retrograde, is that correct?

I do not bill 50395 ? and what about the tube placement? I dont’ bill that either?

Trying to understand… Thanks in advance!

KAM – CPC

Medical Billing and Coding Forum

PCNL with additional work (more than 50081?)

Looking for some advice on the following (the relevant details are in bold):

POSTOPERATIVE DIAGNOSIS: Left kidney stones.

OPERATION: Left percutaneous nephrolithotomy.

The patient has upper pole kidney stones,
one of them more medially, approximately 14 mm to 15 mm
greatest length on CAT scan, another one smaller 8 to 9 mm at
another part of the upper pole. On his arrival to the preop area,
the patient was sent to Interventional Radiology and the Dr.____
placed a nephroureteral access catheter with two wires going into
the bladder. In his opinion, the patient has the large stone burden
within a diverticulum with acute angle towards the pelvis which was
demonstrated on nephrostogram although he was able to easily pass
the wires.

The patient was identified in the waiting room and brought into the
OR on the stretcher. General anesthesia was administered. A Foley
catheter was placed. The patient was then flipped onto the OR table
into the prone position. Two rolls were placed under him. Axillary
rolls and shoulder pads were secured as well. All pressure points
including elbows and feet were secured. The patient’s left flank
was then prepped and draped in the sterile surgical fashion.
Time-out was performed. Consent and laterality were verified. The
patient received 2 g of Ancef before Interventional Radiology and
another 160 g of gentamicin before the PCNL.

Fluoroscopy was brought in. Both stones were identified on fluoro.
Due to the very medial location of the nephroureteral stent and the
medial stone, the nephroureteral access catheter was going in at a
complete vertical direction very medial close to the spine. The
C-arm thought to be rotated 45 degrees. At this point, I prepped
the nephroureteral access catheter with some additional Betadine and
removed the two wires that he had placed, a new Amplatz Super Stiff
wire and a regular Sensor wire. I then slowly removed the
nephroureteral access catheter to the level of the renal pelvis and
injected some contrast to opacify the collecting system confirming
the larger stone burden location more medially where the ureteral
access sheath was going through. Another stone still in the upper
pole but at a much lateral position on the kidney was identified
with an acute angle between the two stones. Next, the
nephroureteral access catheter was removed. The point of wire entry
into the skin was extended with a #11 blade approximately 12 mm.
Next, a NephroMax made by Bard balloon was inserted over the Amplatz
wire. The 30-French sheath was placed over the wire as well. I
then advanced the balloon tip to the level of the upper pole calyx
where the stone was and inflated the balloon to 18 cm of water. I
then attached the 30-French sheath over the balloon into the calyx
and removed the deflated balloon and removed it. Next, I introduced
a 26-French nephroscope using continuous irrigation was inserted
through the tract into the upper pole.
Careful inspection revealed
that the patient had multiple conglomerate of stones rather than one
large stone measuring in size from 3 to about 6 to 7 mm. Due to the
acute angle of the infundibulum, I had a hard time rotating the
nephroscope to access all the stones, but I was able to insert the
ultrasonic Lithotripter, and using ultrasound and some LithoClast
activity I removed some of the stone burden.
The patient still had
multiple stones deeper in the calyx and therefore removed the rigid
nephroscope and inserted a flexible cystoscope into the calyx, and
using a Nitinol basket I was able to retrieve the remaining stones.

At least six or seven of them were manually removed and sent for
specimen.
Reinspection revealed no residual stones in the medial
calyx. I could not access the other upper pole calyx with the
remaining stone due to the acute angle between the two calices. The
renal pelvis was inspected. It was intact. I did not see any
stones in the renal pelvis or UPJ. Next, the collecting system was
opacified, and over the Amplatz wire I passed a 6 x 28 stent through
the nephroscope and noted coiled in the bladder and in the renal
pelvis.
Next, the nephrostomy sheath was removed and after _____ I
passed a 22-French Council tip Foley catheter over the Sensor wire.
The tip of the catheter was noted to be in the upper pole calyx
although I did migrate somewhat distally after the balloon was
inflated with 1.5 mL of sterile water, but I was able to easily
irrigate the system.
Some extravasation was noted, mostly from the
tract coming out adjacent to the 20-French Council tip. No
significant bleeding was noted. The Council tip nephrostomy tube
was secured to the skin with a 3-0 nylon stitch.
A 4 x 4 dressing
and Tegaderm were then used to secure it in place. I then flipped
the patient into the supine position. The patient tolerated the
procedure well, was extubated, and sent to the recovery room in
stable condition.

Initially, I was going to bill just 50081 for the PCNL and 50684 for contrast. However, the level of detail & reading I’ve done suggests I can add on 52352 for the work involving the cystoscopic (vs the nephroscope) basket removal of calculi and 50395 (or 50432?) as I think the #11 blade incision extension counts as a new access? Perhaps I’m overanalyzing this one. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Medical Billing and Coding Forum

Billing for PCNL

Dr. performed:
1. Cystourethroscopy with right double-J ureteral stent removal and replacement with a ureteral access stent.
2. Introduction of guide into renal pelvis percutaneously with dilation to establish nephrostomy tract.
3. Percutaneous nephrolithotomy with endoscopy and lithotripsy of stone, 1.5 cm in size.
4. Retrograde and antegrade pyelogram to delineate percutaneous access and nephrostomy tube placment.

It appears CPT 50080 covers everything such as the dilation, endoscopy, lithotripsy and stenting as mentioned in the CPT description.

So therefore I only bill 50080 and 74420-26 for the retrograde, is that correct?

I do not bill 50395 ? and what about the tube placement? I dont’ bill that either?

Trying to understand… Thanks in advance!

KAM – CPC

Medical Billing and Coding Forum

PCNL Help!!

I’m new to Urology and in need of input on the following op report:
It has been coded: 50081, 52332-RT, 52005-RT
I don’t see any edits for these codes, except for 52005 & 52332. From what I’m reading on 50081 most of this is included in the code. Therefore, I believe it should only be the 50081.

Procedure(s):* Cysto removal of right stent insertion of right occlusion balloon catheter on right
PERCUTANEOUS NEPHROLITHOTOMY, RIGHT URETERAL STENT INSERTION, RIGHT NEPHROSTOGRAM, RIGHT NEPHROSTOMY TUBE INSERTION

Indications:* Patient has a 4 x 2 cm right renal pelvis stone as well as a 12 mm right lower pole stone patient presents for percutaneous nephro lithotripsy of same she has had a stent placed already.
Details of Procedure:* Patient was 1st placed in dorsolithotomy position in the cystoscopy suite cysto was performed with a 22 French scope the stent was identified grasped and removed partially while threading up in 035 wire subsequently a ureteral occlusion balloon catheter was then inserted over a wire and fluoroscopically confirmed to be in good position Foley catheter was inserted and secured to the occlusion balloon catheter thereafter the patient was then transferred to the interventional radiology suite.* Where Dr. Kasza placed a right percutaneous inter cath into the right kidney.* I was there for this part of the procedure and removed the occlusion balloon catheter in the cath lab.

Patient was then brought up to the OR suite and was given general endotracheal anesthesia on the stretcher she was then rotated into the prone position making sure that there are axillary and pelvic pads as well as pads under her ankles as well.* The dressing was removed from the intra catheterization 6 French catheter in the right flank it was sterilely prepped and draped.* Subsequently the patient was did it did head is a 035 for amplitudes superstiff wire inserted in fluoroscopic confirmed to go in the bladder there after an 810 dilator was passed over this and a 2nd Sensor wire was then passed into the bladder as well thereafter at an incision was made in the right flank with 10 scalpel blade of approximately 2 cm thereafter the NephroMax balloon dilator was then inserted and fluoroscopically confirmed to correlate over the lower pole infundibulum where it enters the renal pelvis with a large stone was.* Subsequently was dilated to 16 atmospheres pressure and held for 3 minutes.* Thereafter the sheath was advanced over the balloon and the balloon deflated.* The nephroscope was then inserted and the stone was identified in the renal pelvis.* The lithoclast unit was used however the ultrasound component did not function.* In light of this the case was done purely with the pneumatic device and lithotripsy was started at approximately 10:15 a.m. and proceeded for add an hour and 15 minutes.* Throughout the procedure the stone was manipulated and the pieces were grasped and removed as necessary as well as suction through the suction canister the patient also had a lower pole stone of 12 mm that need to be addressed as well.* After removing approximately a 3rd of the stone the stone was able to be manipulated and rotated into position to allow further lithotripsy of this same.* The patient had further lithotripsy performed of the remaining 2/3 and this was also removed after an hour of lithotripsy.* The lower pole stone was able be identified in its entirety and sent as a separate specimen.* Thereafter retrograde extremity thereafter a nephrostogram was performed which showed no extravasation and nose some significant filling defects.* Fluoroscopy without of contrast identified no residual stones as well.* At this point a 6 x 24 contour double-J stent was then inserted in an antegrade fashion through the nephrostomy site down the right ureter.* It was noted to coil in the bladder and then the wire removed and coiled proximally in the renal pelvis.* Subsequently a 20 French Mallinckrodt catheter was then introduced into the renal pelvis and the stylette was removed to deploy the mL cot.* Thereafter of nephrostogram again showed it to be in excellent position.* The remaining safety wire was removed under fluoroscopy in both stent and nephrostomy tube were in good position. Subsequently the nephrostomy tube was sewn in place with 2 Ethilon in a interrupted vertical mattresses.* Sterile dressing was applied.* And Foley catheter was draining blood-stained urine.* The occlusion catheter had been already removed.* Patient was transferred cover room satisfactory condition.

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